Episode 52: Sorting Jane Austen Heroes into Hogwarts Houses Pt 2

Ready for a magical journey into the world of literature? We've got a spellbinding discussion lined up for you! Together with our guest Caily, we're revisiting the imaginative crossover of Jane Austen and Harry Potter. We dive headfirst into the complexities of these beloved characters and unravel their fit within the four quintessential Hogwarts houses. We promise you, by the end of this power-packed episode, you'll have a newfound appreciation for both Austen's characters and Rowling's magical universe.

We will be picking both a primary and secondary house for each as we did for there heroines. So, spark up your wands (or earbuds) and join us for an unforgettable literary journey.

If you want to tune into the episode we did matching the heroines to their Hogwarts Houses its here in two parts: 

Transcript

Izzy: 0:19

Hi, joe Knights, and welcome back to the what the Austin podcast. This is a part two of our Harry Potter series, matching the heroes to their Harry Potter houses, and so Kaylee is back on with me, so welcome back, kaylee.

Caily: 0:32

Thanks so much for having me back and I'm really excited to continue sorting these heroes into their primary and secondary houses.

Izzy: 0:42

I know, I know I love doing these episodes. It's so much fun and I really enjoyed the last one. I knew we got into some just like really random, really random debates, but it was like useful to talk through because I think some of these have been a bit more tricky. I actually thought I might find it easier with the heroes than the heroines and I worried that it wouldn't be like there wouldn't be like a dynamic conversation, because I thought it was just going to be straightforward. But then when I've actually gone into it, I'm like, oh my gosh, I am all over the place with pairing these heroes to houses.

Caily: 1:14

Damn, I kept going, particularly with the secondary houses. I kept going back and forth and rotating, and I don't know if you have this at all, but particularly for this part two section, with these particular characters. I kept for certain characters having a primary house and having a really, really difficult time even having a secondary house at all. So it would either be that or it would be. I'd want to have the characters be sorted into three houses.

Izzy: 1:46

Like, oh my gosh, that was literally me as well. Honestly, I was some of the time I was like, look, there's no secondary house, Like they are just one house, and then I'm like trying to fit them into a secondary one and I'm like the only thing I can come up with is reasons why they're not in any of the other houses.

Caily: 2:04

That's so funny. I did the same thing for one particular character. I wonder if we're thinking of the same person, but I just started writing down an argument for why he could not have a secondary house.

Izzy: 2:16

That sounds just like just like what I was going through, so I it probably is the same person. So which Hogwarts house would Captain Wentworth be in? Do you want to go first with your picks, or should I go first?

Caily: 2:30

You go first, you got it.

Izzy: 2:33

You want me to go first. You want to steal my ideas? I know it, okay, okay. So I really struggled to Captain Wentworth like massively, and so I could only really pick a primary house, and then I just had loads of reasons why he wasn't in any of the other houses.

Caily: 2:52

Okay, go for it. Similarly, I had one primary house, or like this is him.

Izzy: 2:57

Okay, so I put Gryffindor is his like primary house. Did you put the same?

Caily: 3:03

Absolutely. He's tried and true Gryffindor. He reminds me of Sirius Black's energy. Like, I think of him as very similar to Sirius Black in the way that he presents as a Gryffindor.

Izzy: 3:17

Oh, that's interesting. Okay, so the reasons that I put him down as a Gryffindor is he's brave, true, and will do the noble thing. So obviously he's a war captain. So you know, he's not clearly brave because he's gone off to like the Napoleonic War and was a captain and everything. So that was like one of the main reasons why I consider him to be, to be brave, even though we don't necessarily see that in the book itself. He's consistent with his feelings towards Anne and yet he'd be willing to marry Louisa when he realizes that he's led her on.

Izzy: 3:52

I'm just like that seems so Gryffindor to me, like someone who's like willing to do like the noble thing. You know he's emotional, he thinks with his heart. Compared to like a Slytherin, which I know you often say Slytherin's a lot more emotionally regulated. Captain Wentworth is not at all like. He totally like just goes with his like heart over his head and he can be pretty petty when it comes to love. Do you know the dinner table scene when he's like making snide comments that are not the fact that she was like so fickle or that she wasn't, like you know, steadfast in her thoughts on him and he makes like at the start of the novel. He's actually so dodgy, he makes so many horrible remarks and it made me think about, you know, how awful Ron is to Hermione when she takes Victor Crum to the and the Yule Ball and he makes like all those horrible comments. I was like it's that pettiness, you know.

Caily: 4:47

Yeah, it's resentful, it's this scornful energy, because and it makes sense, because Gryffindors have so much pride.

Izzy: 4:54

Yes, yeah, absolutely. And also the fact that he leads Louisa on. Even though he knows that he's in love with Anne, he still leads Louisa on. And that made me think about Hermione taking McClellan to Slocorn's party and the fact that she says you know, I took him because that would annoy Ron the most. And I was like, oh, again, it's this like, like you said, like a resentful nature and just being like super petty when it comes to love, being so stubborn that you can't admit your feelings, that you're willing to go to like crazy with lengths and, you know, really prod the person that you love. And it's like, why, why, why are you doing this? What was?

Caily: 5:30

those are such good comparisons because, you're right Gryffindors, for all of their chivalry and bravery, there is this stubborn streak where it's. I have to stand my ground on this issue, and it does. It can become very petty.

Izzy: 5:46

Yes, absolutely. And then I just had one more point for Gryffindor and that was I feel like Gryffindors often I think I said this in some of the other matches that we've done but I feel like Gryffindors often seek confirmation from others that they're doing the right thing. And you see this a lot from Wemler. So you know he goes to Anne for confirmation that. You know him going in first before like Henrietta and Anne go in to kind of let the family know that Louisa's fallen and like cracked her head open. Like he's like Anne, am I doing the right thing here? And she's like yes.

Izzy: 6:18

And then also with Captain Harville, you know, when he like says to him like you've got to marry Louisa, because isn't that what this whole thing is about In the Wentworths, like no, what, I had no idea. And Harville's like oh, maybe you could go away for a couple of weeks and it'll be fine. Do you know what I mean? It's like looking for other people for advice, like how to get out of a situation. I feel like that's a lot more Gryffindor Like. I feel like they do rely on others to kind of give them some wisdom. Sometimes we see that with Harry and Luna. You know he's like you know what's going on here with certain things, or like when he's like how are we going to get to London? And it's like other people have to have to let him know, or Hermione all the time has to tell him what he needs to do.

Caily: 7:01

I had never thought about that external reassurance piece before, but that that's very true. You know, gryffindors, they will be the leaders, they will jump into action, but there is this reassurance piece that they need where they need to verbally process and get advice and, yes, wentworths needs that from Anne and others. I hadn't even thought about that Harville part, but that's true.

Izzy: 7:31

I just thought. Another example is well, you know, when Harry has to speaks to Sirius and he's like am I a bad person and like Sirius needs to be like you know, people aren't split into good or bad. We all have gray.

Caily: 7:43

Yes, there are a lot of these life pep talks, aren't there? There's a lot of. Am I bad? Am I doing the right thing? There's a lot of questioning and it's interesting. Maybe that prepares Gryffindors to really then step up and be brave and and take the bold action. Yeah, I'm I. Anything else you want to say about Gryffindor that?

Izzy: 8:07

was all my points for.

Caily: 8:08

Gryffindor. Yeah, I'm so with you. I immediately I thought, of all the heroes, I think Wentworth shows up as the most quintessential Gryffindor. He's described as having a glowing, manly, open look, just like you said, the fact that he is a naval captain. He's bold, he's brave, he's confident. When Anne is, you know, concerned about his social status, when he originally proposes to her, he has a lot of confidence in himself. He is convinced. He's saying I'm going to make something of myself and what? Yeah, so what's braver than being a naval captain, especially in that day and age?

Caily: 8:52

Again, serious, he reminds me of serious black and that he's very impetuous. He's very caring as a strong personality where he's a leader, but he's also he also has some of the weaknesses of Gryffindor, just like you said. He low impulse control. I would see him if someone really crossed and I think he would probably punch them. He's he's rash, right, and even with the situation with Louisa's fall, I think his rashness shows up a lot. You mentioned this in depth, but I was. I was thinking about how prideful he is, that stubborn pridefulness, and, yeah, he just has the passionate fire of a Gryffindor that serious has.

Caily: 9:41

And I want to read this quotation that he says he always talks about how he values people who are firm in their character and knowing who they are, and that feels very Gryffindor to me. He says it is the worst evil of to yielding an indecisive, a character that no influence over it can be dependent on. Let those who would be happy be firm. So he really admire someone who knows their own mind and what else? Oh, he has the Gryffindor savior complex in a way, like when Anne gets really tired and during their long walk and Anne's falling behind and thinks no one notices her.

Caily: 10:29

Originally Anne wasn't gonna be able to get into the carriage and there's only a spot for one person, and so this is one of my favorite quotations of Jane Austen, so I have to read it to you. So, anyway, he ends up making sure that Anne gets into the carriage, and here's the section yes, he had done it. She was in the carriage and felt that he had placed her there, that his will and his hands had done it, that she owed it to his perception of her fatigue and his resolution to give her rest. It was a remainder of former sentiment. It was an impulse of pure, though unacknowledged, friendship. It was proof of his own warm and amiable heart which she could not contemplate without emotions so compounded with pleasure and pain that she knew not which prevailed. Let me get one of crying. I literally had to hear it. Yeah, so I just he. And also he's described as having an open heart numerous times throughout the novel and I feel like that can be characterized with Gryffindor or Hufflepuff, but that openness is very Gryffindor.

Izzy: 11:42

See, if there's anything else, yeah, I think that's often why Gryffindor has to have so many partners. Like if you think about like the Harry Potter series, like it's always the Gryffindors that are like jumping from who they're dating all the time, and I feel like that is because they're a lot more like open hearted, like they wear the heart on the sleeve, compared to like Slytherin's and Ravenclaw's that I think are a little bit more independent and don't jump into things as quickly. Like you see that with Cho Chang, like she's really awkward about moving on with Harry Like it you know what I mean. It's like I feel like it's really that's a really awkward relationship in my eyes. I feel like Harry's pushing it more than Cho Chang's like into it. So yeah, I feel like Gryffindor's are definitely more, more hot on their sleeves kind of people.

Caily: 12:22

Yeah, you know what you'd get with a Gryffindor. I'm curious. So did you end up choosing a secondary house, or were you like I can't?

Izzy: 12:33

Oh my gosh it. My heading for this bit just says reasons why I can't place him in a secondary house. They're just cut like a list, tell me Okay. So I was thinking about him maybe being a Hufflepuff in a secondary house because he's so hard working. You know he's self made out of all of the heroes in the novels, like he's the one that really you know builds his own career and he does really well for it. You know he's really wealthy in the end. And so I thought like hard working is such like a Hufflepuff trait.

Izzy: 13:09

But then I thought he's not in any way codependent and I feel like that is maybe a bit of a weakness of a Hufflepuff, that kind of like needing to be around people, and you know he goes like eight years without an. You know I mean like an phase that he's willing to like graft as opposed to be with a person he loves, and I don't, I just don't see that as being like a Hufflepuff thing. And he isn't easily led in. You know that is something that often Hufflepuffs are. In fact he's so, like you said, like he's so adamant against that, like he is kind of miffed with Anne, the fact that she was so easily led by Lady Russell, and so that's like a trait that he really despises in other people and I just don't think he has it all Like he really values people being steadfast and staying true to their conviction, and I just the Hufflepuff's, just not known for that.

Izzy: 13:59

So so I'm a little bit like I can't seem to be a Hufflepuff for that reason. I thought he's a little bit judgmental at times so I thought maybe Ravenclaw. But then I was like no, he's not really, it's not overpowering enough, I think, to be a Ravenclaw, and I was like he is self-sufficient, which is quite slithering. But again I was like that's not overpowering either. So I'm just like I just can't play. He's just so, Gryffindor, that I can't place him in another house. Did you puff on my dirt?

Caily: 14:24

Yeah, I was feeling. I was feeling the same way and what I decided is he is 98% Gryffindor and then if I had to choose a secondary house, I would say he's 2% Hufflepuff. And the reason there are two reasons. I would say that the first you mentioned, which is he works his way up, he works for what he gets, he is committed to his career and he's willing to go after it and he is steadfast with that, and I think that trait is very Hufflepuff.

Caily: 14:58

I actually think the only other reason I could put him in Hufflepuff is, even though he says that firmness of character is so important to him, I actually think his flirting with he flirts with both sisters and doesn't really make it clear who he prefers at first. And I actually don't think all of that is maliciousness toward Anne. I think he's trying to. I think he's indecisive and I think he's trying to convince himself that he's over and and he doesn't really know which of the sisters he's going to go for. So he kind of just lets it drag out and is a little bit irresponsible and indecisive about that and then, of course, feels horribly guilty after. But yeah, that's my argument, because I don't think he's Slytherin at all, and I don't think he's Ravenclaw at all. So I see those, do you see? Yeah, so those are the two things where I could put him a very tiny sliver Hufflepuff.

Izzy: 15:55

Yeah, I can actually really see that because I think for Hufflepuff's, compared to Slytherin's, working for what you get really important and I feel like it's a foil to all of the other people in persuasion, like the Walter Aliots, where they're all, like you know, obsessed with like status and position and the fact that it's like a birthright, not something they've earned, and they look down so much on people who've worked for what they've got. I really, yeah, I think that really does speak to his Hufflepuff traits, the willing that he, the fact that he's willing to work for for his success in life.

Caily: 16:29

Exactly that commitment to valuing meritocracy. And, oh my gosh, when you brought up Sir Walter Elliot is still cracks me up that he couldn't read anything except their own family history, Whenever it was born. So odd.

Izzy: 16:48

I know that's so funny. That does crack me up so much, and then it makes me think that isn't that so slither in there. It makes me think of Sirius's mom and the fact that she had like the whole family tree is like wallpaper, Like I feel like Sir Walter Elliot would do that.

Caily: 17:02

Oh my gosh. And then people were, weren't they burned off the wallpaper. So messed up yeah.

Izzy: 17:10

Oh my gosh, so funny. Okay, great, so we're going for. Gryffindor is his primary, very primary house, and then Hufflepuff is a secondary house.

Caily: 17:22

If we, if we even had to choose a secondary house, I think we really think, like he is tried and proved, gryffindor Okay so what Hogwarts house would Edward Ferres be in?

Izzy: 17:34

I'll let you go first for this one, all right.

Caily: 17:38

So we've. We've talked before about how it can be so difficult to choose a primary and secondary house, because some of these characters you could, you feel like you can see at least three, if not all four houses. Edward Ferres, to me, was one where I feel like he has a primary house and I really truly could not see a secondary house for him. If no, I really I wrote down all the reasons why he couldn't be in the other three houses and so I placed him as Hufflepuff and I wanted to say that his primary is Hufflepuff and his secondary is either a muggle or a squid. I don't want to be me, I gosh. Yeah, oh, my god, that's brilliant. I was no, I was thinking it, I kept thinking it, I was like I'm not gonna do it Now.

Caily: 18:35

I have to speak my truth. That's how I feel. That being said, I want to say that the adaptations, both the Emma Thompson I think it's 1996 adaptation and the 2000 eight adaptation of Sense and Sensibility, I think they really make Edward Ferres character come to life more and have him be much more personable and endearing. But book version of Edward I do admire certain things, but I just I do also find him kind of weak in certain ways. So anyway, I, yeah I would say I placed him as Hufflepuff because he's really focused on duty, on doing the honorable thing. You know he is incredibly loyal. He, you know, as you all know, he had this engagement to Lucy Steele when he's super young and it's clear that on his side at least, that it's fizzled out. But he is committed to staying loyal to her, even though he's fallen for Eleanor, and also he's extremely loyal to her and I think that's a really good point.

Caily: 19:45

He's extremely modest. He doesn't like to be the center of attention. He wants a humble life, right, Like he just wants to. He wants to be a clergyman and he wants to give the sermons on Sunday. He comes from a very ambitious family and his sister. Oh my gosh, Fanny is embodies a lot of the negative traits of a Slytherin. His mother and sister put a lot of effort into getting some ambitious job and he just does not want that. Let's see what else. Oh wow, I'm being kind of mean about him. I also wanted to say, since the world's most wet, blanket, boring couple would be Fanny Price and Edward can you imagine those?

Caily: 20:36

two together Anyway, no, oh, my god. Okay, I'm not sure about him. So I actually I pulled this quote that Mary Ann says about Edward. That I think really captures a lot of his good qualities. So Mary Ann says I'm very sure that conscience only kept Edward from Harley Street. And I really believe that he has the most delicate conscience in the world, the most scrupulous in performing every engagement, however minute and however it may make against his interest or pleasure. He is the most fearful of giving pain, of wounding expectation, and the most incapable of being selfish of anybody I ever saw. And so, while you know that Edward Beers is not my favorite, I do really see his level of selflessness. He was supposed to get this inheritance, he was supposed to get all of this money and he refuses. And even when his family says we're gonna completely disown you, we will completely disown you if you marry this girl, he doesn't even love the girl and he stands up against them and says I'm not gonna do the unloyal thing.

Izzy: 21:49

So I think because he knows it'll like completely destroy Lucy's life. Like that's how. Like selflessly, it's like he's like oh, I can't if I call off the engagement, that will completely ruin Lucy's standing in society.

Caily: 22:00

Like yeah, he really puts others first and that's it's so. It's so hufflepuff, like he doesn't have a selfish bone in his body, and I really do admire that. Yeah, I would say Eleanor describes him as you know, having a taste that's delicate and pure. They really they talk about his, that he's pure apart, and I truly believe that. What do you think about him? I?

Izzy: 22:37

100% agree. I think he's hufflepuff through and through and when you were reading some of the quotes of the way that others describe him, that could quite as easily be just people describing hufflepuffs. I feel like it's that close. Yeah, I think I had a lot of the points of usage. You know, he's very much guided by the wishes of his mother and sister and I think hufflepuffs often because are guided by what their family wants, because they're loyal to their families. He avoids confrontation. You know, like he just accepts what people tell him all the time. And I do get what you mean, like he is a bit of a wet lettuce.

Izzy: 23:12

But I remember I did that episode with Alice where we kind of talked about like the reasons why he is quite a good hero, like some of his good qualities, and I think he really battles with the fact that he's quite insecure at times and for his whole life people have told him that he's like nothing special and you know, and he's kind of bought into all this. He's like telling people like you know, I'm not ambitious, I'm not that intelligent, I'm not really got much going for me, and so I actually think his main issue is that he's just really insecure. But I do think he's really kind and sensitive and I love what you said about him being like really humble and like modest, because like he actually makes the point of saying all I want is domestic comforts, and I love him. One of the adaptations they talk about how he just desperately wants chickens I just think that's so funny. It's just like I just want some chickens in like a small house it's fine. And you know, half a person are really modest, like they're not after anything too flashy.

Izzy: 24:11

And he's naive when it comes to Lucy. You know, I know he doesn't love her, I know he doesn't love her anymore, but he didn't quite realize she was quite as evil as she is and he's really shocked when it all comes out. He's like my God, I can't believe that. Not only is she sent me this letter where she says you know she has no feelings for me and for me to like burn anything I ever sent, but she's also gone with my brother who's got the fortune and I think he is really like sidetracked by that. He's just like wow. And on top of that, you know, when Eleanor tells him everything that went on with her and Lucy, like the fact that Lucy is really like the fact that Lucy adused her. It's like this person that she told all her secrets to, even though she knew that there was something going on between Eleanor and Edward. It's just like awful. You know, I think he's shocked at that as well. He's like gosh. I never realized she was so jealous.

Caily: 24:58

You're right. His naivety about not seeing into the evils of Lucy's character, I think that's very hufflepuff. To want to see the best in people. And yeah, he I mean he chooses duty, responsibility and moral conscience over money and inheritance. And yeah, what could be more of a hufflepuff quality? And yeah, when you just re described Lucy just running off with his brother, I mean yeah, wow, yeah all of us family, except him, I would say are in Slytherin and really embody the more negative traits of Slytherin. Oh, yeah, yeah absolutely yeah.

Izzy: 25:40

At least he's just an awful character and so so many of us like his family members. It's just, it's just terrible. This poor hufflepuff is just like surrounded by crazy people. Did you have any like secondary house thoughts? For I just have laser question marks. I have like Griffin dot question question mark. Raven clock question mark.

Caily: 26:00

Okay. So actually, when I was talking it through, I came to some close up questions. I came to some closure on it where I am going to choose a secondary house for him, while also saying that I think he's mostly hufflepuff. But I did the same thing. That's so funny. You said that I said not Slytherin because he's not ambitious nor cunning, nor shrewd, not Ravenclaw because he doesn't read well or have intellectual passion. Remember when Marianne says he lacked a st in? Oh my gosh, I have another quote from Marianne. His eyes want all that spirit, that fire which at once announced virtue and intelligence. And besides all that, I'm afraid, mama, he has no real taste. Music seems seriously to attract him, and though he admires Eleanor's drawings very much, it's not the admiration of a person who can understand their worth.

Izzy: 26:55

I was like Marianne so brutal at times she honestly cracks me up. I feel like this is like I truly see, like more of her Ravenclaw sides now like no, after we taught it through. I know that wasn't like a podcast episode he did but I truly see it and I feel like it's that judgmental. That's why she's like. She's just like if you're not as small as me, then there's issues there.

Caily: 27:16

She, and actually that's a beautiful, that's a beautiful change that Marianne has, because she is so snobby and judgmental of a lot of people, a bit of Edward, but then she ends up loving him so much as a brother and defending him and thinking so well of him. So it's good to see that their relationship improves throughout the novel. Yeah, oh, my gosh, oh, okay, so I don't think he's a Ravenclaw, but I did write this down. One of my favorite quote I really love that's his is I wish, as well as everybody else, to be perfectly happy, but like everybody else, it must be in my own way. And so I put Ravenclaw to treat question mark, just because I don't think he's a Ravenclaw, but I think a Ravenclaw would say that like, like, valuing their individualism and independence and not wanting other people to tell them what to do or how to live their lives.

Izzy: 28:12

Yes, I love that, I always love that quote and I definitely do see that something that Ravenclaw's would say yeah, because they just really value just being their own person and not having other people interfere. And I think that's really what Edward's seeking in life is that people are no longer interfering in what he wants in his life, because he spent his whole life being dictated to of what he needs to do and who he needs to be.

Caily: 28:36

Exactly, and I think, and so that's why what I landed on was I'm I'm going to put his secondary house very slim amount and he doesn't have all the qualities that I'm going to put it as Gryffindor, because I think it was really brave that he was willing to sacrifice all of his financial security to stand up for what's right. Think about how easily swayed he was. Think about how much he hates conflict. Think about how much he cared what his mom and his sisters and his family thought of him. And he still, they could not, at the end of the day, they could not convince him out of his sense of honor. And so, yeah, that's my argument, that he has a little bit of Gryffindor.

Izzy: 29:23

Yeah, I actually put the same points for him to be Gryffindor as well, and then also the fact that he seeks out kind of a place of belonging. So, you know, with his family he's always felt like neglected and he wasn't appreciated or even loved. I think he says it's really sad. But then he goes to you know Lucy's family where he meets Lucy and the Prats and he thinks he feels like he belongs there and that they really accept him and they love him and appreciate him. And he actually says to Eleanor you know, that's the reason I really fell in love with her is because for once in my life I was being cared for and loved and appreciated in a place. And it makes me think about, you know, characters like Harry, where he finds a sense of belonging with the Weasleys, or Sirius talks about how he went on stage with the Potters because he just didn't like his family or fit in with his family, and so I feel like Gryffindor's often able to go and find the places where they belong and feel at home with those people.

Caily: 30:22

That's such a good point, and then that connects to what you said too, and that's a place where they can get that external reassurance and support when they need to talk things through and get advice.

Izzy: 30:32

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Caily: 31:27

Got this. So, colonel Brandon, it was interesting doing the other two characters where I could think of a primary house right away and it was hard to even come up with a secondary house because I was so sure, colonel Brandon, there was one house I eliminated right away. I don't see him as Slytherin at all in any regard, but I do. I saw elements of Gryffindor, hufflepuff and Ravenclaw and, to fully disclose, I kept going back and forth and rotating between them. So I landed on Hufflepuff as his primary house and I kind of want to go into that first and then I'll get to the secondary, and I had a really hard time deciding between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor.

Izzy: 32:16

Can I just say before you get started, because you're going to die at this, I put Slytherin as one of his houses. I did, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Yeah, we can get into it. I feel like I'm floored.

Caily: 32:37

I'm shook. Oh gosh, I can't. Okay, well, I would never have guessed that, never. Oh my gosh, I know here, I'm so curious. Okay, we're covering now. Um.

Caily: 32:51

So yeah, when I thought of Colonel Brandon, one of the first things I thought about was his level of patience and tolerance. You know he has to think about how quiet and steady he is in his love for Marianne. It's not allowed I'm going to express this to you all the time. It's just this very stoic, consistent regard and think about how patient he has to be, constantly being in the company of all of them and Mrs Jennings speculating, and then having to see Marianne and Willoughby wandering around together. Colonel Brandon even agrees to invite Willoughby to the picnic at Delofer.

Caily: 33:33

So yeah, his love for Marianne goes beyond that piece of him wanting to have her. He really just wants Marianne to be happy in a very selfless way, and that feels so hufflepuff to me. I see him as extremely faithful. Once he cares about you, he is so loyal and committed to the whole family, like he befriends Eleanor. They really respect each other as friends. I love that Austin had a platonic friendship between a man and a woman, and I think that's. I think we mentioned that before, but I really like Eleanor and Brandon's mutual respect. He's a true gentleman, which made me think, okay, is that is associated with either Hufflepuff or Gryffindor. The reason I went Hufflepuff is he's a true gentleman, but he does it in a very behind the scenes way. He's not the brave heart leader of the pack. I keep talking about brave heart today.

Izzy: 34:36

Every time you say brave heart, I honestly just keep thinking of like Celts.

Caily: 34:40

I'm just like just cracker me up, right, mel Gibson I'm seeing that movie lately or like a John Snow, is such a Gryffindor leader type Colonel Brandon. True gentleman, but does it all in a humble way, does it all behind the scenes, doesn't need to be the center of attention, doesn't want to be the center of attention, just wants to help. That feels so Hufflepuff he also. Hufflepuffs are very true. He's a true. They're very loyal. He fulfills his promise to Eliza and brings up her child Like he's so caring. He's extremely generous.

Caily: 35:19

We both identified Edward as a very Hufflepuff and I think one way that Colonel Brandon's generosity shows up is he respects the moral acts of other Hufflepuffs. So he sees that Edward has stood up against his family and tried to do the honorable thing by marrying Lucy. And then he, colonel Brandon, doesn't even know Edward really and offers him this living without knowing him and doesn't do it in this attention seeking way. He gets Eleanor to ask Edward to accept the living. So it's nothing about his ego, he's just a good guy. So Hufflepuffs unite.

Caily: 36:00

I would say Edward and Colonel Brandon both really value duty and doing the right thing, taking responsibility. And yeah, I'm trying to think if there's anything else. When we talked about the house breakdown we talked about how Hufflepuffs have the earth element and I think of Colonel. Brandon is very connected to the earth. He's very grounded, he's very steady and, yeah, he doesn't really have the Gryffindor fire and this is a mean thing that Willoughby says about him. But I do feel like Hufflepuffs would be described in this way. Brandon is just the kind of man whom everybody speaks well of and nobody cares about, whom all are delighted to see and nobody remembers to talk to. And Willoughby, as a maladaptive Gryffindor, would say that would label Brandon as boring, but I think other people see his value in that quiet stoicism.

Izzy: 37:03

Yeah, I literally wrote down that same quote for reasons that he would be a Hufflepuff, because I think Hufflepuffs are often misunderstood by other characters, particularly characters who are kind of a lot more bold and extroverted in Willoughby and Maria and together are so guilty of doing that and they constantly look down on Brandon and to the extent that Eleanor has to come to his defense. But I loved all the other points he made as well. Like you know, he is so generous, like giving Edward that living he hardly knows Edward and so doing that is just like so out of the blue and so unexpected. Even Edward's just like gosh I hardly know Colonel Brandon, that's so kind of him. So he really just takes.

Izzy: 37:41

I feel like there's a thing about Gryffindors where they take care of just like human, like other people do not, I mean just like humans at large, like they don't mind about specific people, like Slytherins do it Slytherins. It's very much like this is somebody I love, who's really connected to me, whereas I feel like his Hufflepuff trait is really strong because he does care about everybody. However, I will come on to my reasons why I think he's a Slytherin, which just kind of contradicted that a little bit. But anyway he's patient, like he said, with the whole Marianne situation. I mean that would actually drive me up the wall, like if I was in love with somebody and I had to watch them with like another partner constantly and they kept saying like horrible stuff about me and embarrassing themselves in public. Like he has so much patience to deal with that situation and he's really hardworking.

Izzy: 38:32

Like you've got to think to the fact that he went out like he was in the army in the war. He came back in his brother had racked up so much debt and he's had to like build their entire state up from the ground. And this is after he went and found like the woman that he loved, who was married to his brother, who ended up in like a poor house. Like you know, he works really hard to rebuild his position in society and their family fortune and so I just really think that's a Hufflepuff thing. You know really grafting, going there, getting your hands dirty and you know making it work. So, yeah, I love all of your points for Hufflepuff.

Caily: 39:06

I definitely think that's his main house, that's oh, that's so true, gosh, just when you repeated that his life story is so tragic. So I'm so glad that he ends up having happiness with Marianne, because I just kept thinking, too, hufflepuffs have such high emotional control, how did he not punch Willoughby, you know like, how did he? And how did he tolerate the seeing his brother marry? The woman he loved, or seeing this, this is the daughter of his loved one, pregnant as a teen.

Izzy: 39:42

And then seeing that same guy flirting with the person that he now loves, like this is pure emotional regulation that I personally do not possess, but wow.

Caily: 39:55

So, yeah, that that level of calm that he can maintain is truly incredible. And so do you want me to say, do you want me to say, that secondary house houses first.

Izzy: 40:09

Yeah, good for it. I'd love to hear it.

Caily: 40:12

Well now I flipped back. Okay, what I really want to be like is he's, he's maybe 75% Hufflepuff. And then I almost want to split secondary between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor. It's hard for me, it's really hard for me to land on one because, on the one hand, because I think that he has he's extremely private and he has sort of this meditative, private internal world which I can sort of see about a Ravenclaw. And the biggest way I could see him being a Ravenclaw is that he and Marianne have similar artistic interests and musical tastes. Like he sends her the music for the piano forte, he is the one who actually appreciates listening to Marianne play, doesn't talk through it. They bond over poetry. He reads her poetry. They bond over that Ravenclaw aspect. So there's that.

Caily: 41:13

But then I was leaning a little bit more toward Gryffindor as a secondary house. It was hard for me to put him there at all because he's so highly emotionally controlled, but I think it was extremely brave of him to go in the middle of the night. He's super rash and he goes and he gets Mrs Dashedwood when Marianne is ill. And I also think he has that Gryffindor save the underdog thing. Like he care takes for everyone, he care takes to Eliza. And even though he's so emotionally controlled, when Marianne is really sick and he thinks that she's going to die, he has this moment where he's really rash and he goes, he says to Eleanor, he says give me an occupation, mrs Dashedwood, or I shall run mad. So then Eleanor sends him to go get Mrs Dashedwood and I don't know. I think it's brave, after Mary, how Marianne has treated him that he just shows up and tries again. So yeah, anyway, kind of undecided between those two.

Izzy: 42:22

I love it. I know I do. I do see both elements and I feel like the bits that you were trying to pick up for those ones is kind of like the bits that I was trying to pick out for him to be a slithering. Do you want to hear my thoughts of him being secondary house? I can't believe you're shocked.

Caily: 42:38

I must hear this right now.

Izzy: 42:39

Yeah, okay, I had to be careful because part of me was like do I actually see him as a slithering or am I just getting so caught up in the fact that Alan Rickman plays him in the Emma Thompson adaptation? I just see Snape. But I did really think about it and I was like you know what? No, I'm not just doing it because you know Snape's in an adaptation. So the reasons that I put Slytherin down is he's extremely private, like he doesn't disclose anything about his previous love affair, the daughter, adoptive daughter, who's you know pregnant. He doesn't disclose any of that or his feelings about Marianne until he really needs to and he only tells Alan or he's very secretive about it. He keeps it to himself. He's not overly showy, like I think often Gryffindor's are, like they don't. He doesn't need to tell everybody about his feelings or even tell the person that he loves about his feelings.

Izzy: 43:35

Another point that I made for him being Slytherin is he'll go to great lengths for someone that he loves, even if it's unrequited or unattainable, and I feel like that is so much a Slytherin trait. I feel like Slytherins are one of the only houses that can can really be satisfied with the person they love, being happy even if it's not with them, and I just think that's like a truest form of love. But I also think that's very difficult for a lot of the other people in different houses to do. You know, I think Slytherins can love without validation from the other person, but I couldn't see Gryffindor's or Hufflepuff's doing that. But I think Colonel Brandon can. I don't think it matters to him that. I don't think he cares if Marianne's never with him. He wants Marianne to be happy.

Izzy: 44:19

The reason that he tells Eleanor about Eliza being pregnant is because he's like I can see she might end up with Willoughby. I don't want to stop that, but I need you to have all the information. Like he's not going there to be like stop, stop this right now. I want Marianne for myself. That's not his motive.

Izzy: 44:37

And then, just another thing that I was thinking about is I know you said about like the whole, like him leaving in the middle of the night to help Mrs Dashwood and how that can be seen as a Gryffindor trait. But I was thinking about the way that Snape looks after Dumbledore and the lengths that he goes to to satisfy what Dumbledore wants, like at the end of his life. And I feel like, you know, colonel Brandon goes in the middle of the night to get Mrs Dashwood because he thinks, you know, that's what's going to make Marianne the most comfortable. So I do see it as kind of like a slithering thing as well. I just feel like slitherings will go to the end of the earth for the person that they love, and I can really see Brandon doing that for Marianne.

Caily: 45:17

It's. I mean, it's a good argument. I never, I never, would have put him there. I like the point about privacy. He is very private and I think I attributed that to his living in his head like a breathing claw. But we put we put Mr Darcy as Slytherin and he has a similar secrecy and privacy that Brandon has. So I see, I see that aspect and then I think what I'm struggling with is, you're exactly right that he he actually does have parallels to the character of Snape. It's not just that he played Snape. Snape's love for Lily is similar to Brandon's love for Marianne, because, yeah, snape knows, even if she doesn't end up with me, I just I want her to be happy and I'll still always love her, and that's that's how Brandon is. And Snape is so devoted to Dumbledore and will just run off, sneak off, put his life in danger, put himself out there, I think, and kill.

Izzy: 46:22

Dumbledore Like think of like the inner turmoil Snape has about that, like he doesn't want to do it. And Dumbledore was like you have to do it, you have to kill me for, like the greater good. And I just feel like that goes against all of like Snape's Slytherin side, where it's like you're asking me to do something that just goes against my whole nature. Like if it's between the greater good and saving people I love, I'll pick the people I love. Like do you want me to do this?

Caily: 46:46

Oh my gosh. Yeah, see, this is. This is what's interesting, is I? I see the parallels between Colonel Brandon and Mr Darcy, with that privacy secrecy point that you brought up, and then I see the parallels between Colonel Brandon and Snape, with the devotion and the putting yourself out there, and but then what I think of is, instead of thinking of Snape as Slytherin, I think about that moment where Dumbledore is with Snape and Dumbledore says sometimes I think we sort too soon and I'm like was was Snape, did Snape have a lot of Gryffindor qualities? And that's the parallel to Brandon.

Izzy: 47:30

What would put you off this like Slytherin qualities, then? What's like your main thing where you're like I don't see that as Slytherin, is it because, like you don't see him as being ambitious?

Caily: 47:39

I don't see him as being ambitious. I don't see him as being cunning. I don't think he cares about like lineage, what was, what's the other. I don't see him as calculated. I see him as having a more like loving heart and doing things in a sort of pure of heart way for humanity, as opposed to means to his own end. Like, I don't think.

Izzy: 48:15

Yeah, I don't, yeah, yeah, they're just maybe think about something else as well. I don't see him. He doesn't need like famous connections or really popular connections. Like if you think about somebody like Slughorn who really needs to have like these people around him who are like famous or popular or have been really successful, colonel Brandon's really not like that. And you can see, with the fact that he gives Ed with the live-in, because those people make a point that just like why would Colonel Brandon risk his reputation for someone he hardly knows in? Yeah, it's hard to see a Slytherin doing that, but that's why I think it's like he's mostly Hufflepuff, but I just think he is a little bit Slytherin. Just like the way that he loves, I think is very Slytherin and it's privacy, I think is very Slytherin. I think Gryffindor's is so much more open and I just I don't think he is. He's so much more private, he's so much more secret about you know his life and yeah, I think he feels a need to expose everything.

Caily: 49:10

Maybe he's all four. Yeah, yeah, I see your point about the disposition where he's secretive and private, like, yeah, yeah, I think it's a good argument. I don't know what to do I think we don't have to.

Izzy: 49:29

we don't necessarily have to agree, it's fine. We can disagree respectfully.

Caily: 49:35

It's okay, We'll respectfully disagree on this one, but we both agree that he's a hufflepuff. Tried and true for the most part.

Izzy: 49:44

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Are you ready to move on to Henry Tilney? I have some thoughts on this for sure. Do you want me to tell you what my primary house is? Yeah, okay. So my primary house for Henry Tilney was Ravenclaw and I felt this house so strongly for him. So the reasons why is because he loves all the same books as Catherine. He's witty, he likes to play with words and that makes me think of like Ravenclaw's and the fact that they love riddles and like, yeah, that kind of thing and yeah, it's really the reading, though that was, like my, the main reason why I wanted to put him into Ravenclaw.

Izzy: 50:22

There's such a fantastic quote that says the person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not a pleasure in a good novel must be intolerably stupid. I have read all of Mrs Radcliffe's works, and most of them with great pleasure. The mysteries of Yadolfo when I had once begun it, I could not lay it down again. I remember finishing it in two days. And then he goes on to say, well, his sister says, oh my gosh, I remember you reading that because you kept reading it aloud to me and every time I went to do errands you kept following me and I was like oh my gosh, could you get more Ravenclaw? This is just brilliant. I know, in like one of our podcast episodes we placed Catherine Moreland as a Ravenclaw, at least as one of her houses, and I just feel like they have a Ravenclaw Ravenclaw bond and the way that they're able to kind of like talk about their passions and so, yeah, that was the main reason why I put him as Ravenclaw.

Izzy: 51:13

Another thought that I had was he can be a little bit cynical about like Isabella Thorpe, john Thorpe and his own brother and he's not wrong about any of these people, they're all really dodgy but it made me think about kind of like Flitwick. It made me think about Flitwick, you know, when McGonagall's like ready to like start protecting Hogwarts, like against Voldemort, and he's like this is one of the felt, he's like you know, we can't hold him off indefinitely and she's like that doesn't mean we can't postpone him or whatever. And I just think a lot of Ravenclaw sometimes do have this more cynical side to them. I think you see it with Cho Chang, where she's like the diadems lost forever, whereas you know Luna, who is another Ravenclaw. She's a little bit like you know. Oh well, I've got an idea of where you can find it, but there is some Ravenclaws that really do have that that side of the cynic.

Izzy: 52:06

And another thought I had was Trelawney and her prophecies. You know, they aren't all rainbows and fairies. You know, some of them are really dark and you know concerning, and so I feel like it's easy for them to jump to kind of darker conspiracies. You see that with Luna's dad as well, where he's like these people are vampires and they're going to, like, destroy everyone. You know. So I think they can have this kind of cynical outlook on life.

Caily: 52:33

Yep, I am so with you on that. I also put his primary house as Ravenclaw. He's described as having a very intelligent and lively eye. I think of him as super witty and perceptive and I agree he and Catherine have such a good banter. I think we said she was Hufflepuff Ravenclaw hybrid, which I see because they both have this love of literature and they've got a great banter. But she's a little bit more. She has some of that Hufflepuff and just young naivety and he's extremely he's extremely perceptive. So what else did I say? Yeah, the fact that he reads, you know, says he's read hundreds of books. He understands Catherine's literary references, just like you said when you were talking about Radcliffe. And that's so funny when directly compared to John Thorpe who pretends like he knows who Radcliffe is.

Izzy: 53:31

Oh my gosh. That moment with John Thorpe, where he's like when he gets it wrong and he's like pretending to be so smart and like Catherine's just keeping it to herself, like you're completely wrong about all of this, honestly cracks me up. I just think that's one of the best scenes in the whole book.

Caily: 53:46

I love that and I feel like Henry's always there and he's quietly observing all of the dynamics, but he kind of keeps it to himself. But then we'll make a joke of it. It's interesting, henry kind of reminded me. He reminds me a little bit of Mr Bennett in the way that Mr Bennett is very smart about people and he kind of like takes pleasure in the folly of others that's what it says Like he notices social dynamics and they amuse him and he makes jokes about them. Clearly Henry is a little bit less cranky than Mr Bennett, but there was something there that felt it was a Ravenclaw similarity. Let's see what else did I say? I have more to say, actually about his secondary house.

Izzy: 54:38

I have an argument for this. Ooh, can I add a couple more about the Ravenclaw then? Yeah, go for it. So there's a couple of other like Ravenclaw things that I wanted to add on in.

Izzy: 54:49

I think he's really independent and self assured, like I was trying to compare him to, like Mr Darcy and you know, when Mr Darcy turns up to Maritain, him and like Bingley are together, they've got like this whole pack of people and Henry just like rocks up to balls on his own and just like starts chatting to people.

Izzy: 55:07

Like the fact that him and Catherine are just like randomly introduced and it's just because he's just decided to turn off on his own. I just think that's so different. He just has this kind of air of confidence about him where he's happy being on his own in society and when he's not on his own, the only person he tends to be with is his sister. So I just don't think he's kind of I don't think he needs to be in these like big crowds Like I think sometimes Gryffindor's need to be like have like a pack or Slytherins often go by packs. I feel like he's just happy, just like wander around on his own. He thinks about Luna like she's so often on her own and, you know, doesn't have that many friends until she, kind of, you know, becomes close with Harry and everything. So yeah, I think that's very much a Ravenclaw thing is he can be happy independent.

Caily: 55:53

That is such a good point. Yeah, he does show up to things just on his own. We don't really meet male friends of his and he seems content with that. Just like you said, he also seems to know who he is and where he stands, and when Catherine says something naive or says something that's a difference of opinion, he's really grounded in knowing his own mind, like you're not gonna change his mind, and I do think that that's very Ravenclaw. I'm looking at my notes too. And one other thing I wanted to mention is he's known for being a skilled storyteller and you know he will like assemble all of these details of the books he's read and that, just like you said, a lot of Ravenclaws are excellent readers and writers. That feels like a really good Ravenclaw trait to me.

Izzy: 56:46

I love that. That just sounds so Ravenclaw. I can just imagine him just there like going through his books, like highlight his little tabs, doing deep dives, analyzing things. Yeah, I love that. I think that's amazing.

Caily: 56:59

It's so cute how he and Catherine have that common interest. You can just see them as a married couple doing their little book club together and, yeah, I just love that vibe.

Izzy: 57:10

Yeah, I love that, but I'd also love to hear what your secondary houses are for him. I only had one for Henry, but I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Caily: 57:17

So I can't tell if you'll be. I think some people will be surprised by this, but I feel pretty strongly about it. Actually, I had his secondary houses slithering. I am surprised, oh my God. Well, I'm curious why you're surprised. I was surprised too, but then once I got there, I was like I feel I feel like this is right. I'm curious why you're surprised, and I wonder if it's the same reason that I initially was too.

Izzy: 57:48

Okay, let me know your thoughts, because then maybe I would be so surprised when she let me know, like why you think that's the case, because I might be like okay, of course.

Caily: 57:56

Okay, originally I was never going to say Gryffindor because I just don't see him as being impetuous or bold or doing anything rash. He's not a rash person. I saw Hufflepuff at first because he one way that he's really not a slither in is he his father's very ambitious and Henry doesn't care about that, like he doesn't care about that money and the inheritance piece, and a lot of people consider him to be the nicest, like the sweetest, of the Austin heroes and he also is just really devoted and loyal to his sister, eleanor. So I saw all of those traits and I was like, okay, maybe Hufflepuff. But then I was like no, there's something. I was like there's something else here and I think he's an example of a really nice Slytherin. But the reason I okay, so the reason I put him as Slytherin, is I think he has a realistic and rational and practical intelligence that Slytherins have. He is, he just is such a good judge of people and he actually is a little bit mischievous in kind of poking at people and I actually took you mentioned his cynicism. I took that as a little bit more of a Slytherin quality, like he's sardonic in his comments and it actually reminds me a little bit of Draco, like. When I think of sardonic, I think of that word describing Draco. He likes to tease people. He's really shrewd, I think.

Caily: 59:36

Oh, one scene that I think is really interesting is there's a section that says Catherine had just oh, catherine had just been speculating that Henry's brother had asked Isabella to dance because he saw her, that she was sitting down alone, and so he thought she was just being nice. And Henry's looking at her being being like, are you serious, do you not see what's happening here? He's attracted, he's attracted to Isabella. Henry sees the deceit and sees the mal intentions of other people and I think that's a Slytherin trait, to like pick up on when people's intentions are good or bad. And yeah, and he's a little bit pessimistic and taunting sometimes, and I, yeah. So I just I thought he was yeah.

Izzy: 1:00:29

I can kind of see where you're coming from with it, but then part of it I'm just like I feel like the way that he is when he like sizes people up. I do get that being like that. That social savviness does sound very Slytherin, but he's also very hung up on like his morals, like I don't see a Slytherin condemning or judging other Slytherins for their actions and I feel like people like Isabella Thorpe, his brother Frederick, his father are all Slytherins and I don't see him like I don't know. I just don't see a Slytherin like judging them too much for what they're doing. Do you know what I mean? Or, yeah, gosh, I don't know. It's really hard. Now you've got me. You've got me like questioned, like like my whole life dear about it.

Caily: 1:01:13

Okay. So when you say that the Slytherin wouldn't judge other people's decisions, I think so. He does stand up to his father, right, but I feel like that's because he has personal interest in Catherine and his father's attacking Catherine. But when it comes to his brother and Isabella, he kind of just sits back and observes it in sort of a detached way, and I feel like he's talking to Catherine as if, yep, they're, they're doing it, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. He doesn't really like acting, get involved when it doesn't really relate to him, if you know what I mean.

Izzy: 1:01:53

That's so true. No, no, I totally, yeah, I can totally see that that's so true. Like he like Catherine's, just like why don't you go and speak to your brother about it? And he's like you know, I'm not gonna get involved. Like he can do what he wants. And if Isabella is going to be like stupid enough to get to get involved with him, then that's not my problem, kind of thing. So, yeah, I can definitely see that like he just sits back. But then also that just feel really Ravenclaw to me as well, like not wanting to go to the confrontation, just be like I'm just gonna sit here and just let it happen. And I feel like Ravenclaw is a really like high on morals. The fact that he thinks it's wrong but doesn't do anything about it. I feel like that's also quite Ravenclaw, Like he's like you know, I have my own moral standards and they don't fit into them, but I'm also not gonna go and confront them about it Also feels kind of Ravenclaw to me.

Caily: 1:02:34

Yeah, I mean he. I'm glad we found a tried and true Ravenclaw, I think you know?

Izzy: 1:02:40

yeah, I'm sorry, go on school gone.

Caily: 1:02:44

Oh, no, no, no, I was just gonna say I don't. He's the first hero that we've placed in Ravenclaw as Ravenclaw as a primary house, right?

Izzy: 1:02:56

Oh my gosh mate. Oh, no, no, we put Mr Knightley as Ravenclaw.

Caily: 1:03:02

You did, or did we put him, as I've blocked it out, okay, yeah.

Izzy: 1:03:10

Well, maybe we don't even do you want to hear oh, go ahead. Yeah, I'm sorry, so you do you want to hear what I put is the secondary house? Yes, I did so I pay. Secondary house is Gryffindor. I feel like you're like what, no?

Caily: 1:03:26

I don't see that, but again I didn't. Yeah, tell me, we'll see if you convince me.

Izzy: 1:03:32

Okay. So the reason that I put Gryffindor down is, even though he's really like, really rational throughout the whole book, I feel like at the end of the book he makes like totally like crazy decisions and just kind of goes off off the rails a little bit, but for what he thinks is right. You know he really wants to stand up for Catherine. He's got to do what he thinks is right. And when he just like leaves his dad and his dad's like I'm going to disinherit you and he doesn't care and he just like rides off to go and visit like Catherine, I just think that's so impulsive and I just think that's like very much like Gryffindor's, like he doesn't care that he's going to be like car forever. I really think he says to Catherine, like I might not have any money, but you know, at least I came and checked on you. I just feel like that's so, gryffindor, to do that, to just like in the moment, just like jump on your horse and like go like not thinking about the later consequences.

Caily: 1:04:26

Yeah, that that decision was. Yeah, that's, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that decision was very rash, that he just jumps on the horse and just goes. Okay, what? Why else do you think he's a Gryffindor?

Izzy: 1:04:44

That's me. I feel like you all keep Slytherin's too much.

Caily: 1:04:49

No, what's nothing with me was I was I didn't consider Gryffindor at all. I was like no to Gryffindor is like it's either Slytherin or Hufflepuff. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, it's see again, I think it was really good that you said at the beginning that all of these houses have overlap, because what you just said about Gryffindor I think I was thinking of that in a Hufflepuff way, right, like that commitment to honor and what you think, and yeah.

Izzy: 1:05:26

So See, this is why I mean, this is why it's so tough, because the more you think about the houses, the more crossover you see, and it's so difficult to then place people because it's like unless they have standout characteristics, like we see for his, you know, primary house of Ravenclaw, like he stands out as a Ravenclaw because he's, you know, driven by books, he loves books, that's his passion, he loves to talk about books with other people and, yeah, you can, you can really see the Ravenclaw Ravenclaw dynamic with Catherine. It's hard for a secondary one because he doesn't have any standout qualities of any of the other houses and so I do think he's that's because he's majority Ravenclaw. And then a little bit something I could be convinced of Slytherin. I really could, because I don't feel my Gryffindor ones necessarily that that strong, but I'm not sure I. Maybe we should just go 100% Ravenclaw.

Caily: 1:06:17

I'd be down for that. Yeah, I mean one thing. One last thing. I'm sure one of us said this, but that I love how witty he is. He has the witty Mr Bennett Ravenclaw characteristic, so I'd be okay. I'd be okay keeping him, you know, keeping him fully Ravenclaw, and then I'd keep a tiny little sliver of Slytherin. He sees the evil traits in other people.

Izzy: 1:06:48

I love it. Okay, amazing, that is literally everybody on the list. We've covered all of the heroes.

Caily: 1:06:54

That's everybody done so exciting. It was so much fun to sort both the heroines and heroes and think about how their different houses compliment each other too.

Izzy: 1:07:05

I know, but then also part of who's like, please nobody hold us to this, because I feel like it's so easy to develop your thoughts and like come with different ideas later. I feel like I feel like we could totally like do this again, like in a year's time, and have different thoughts, at least on some people.

Caily: 1:07:23

Definitely, and I think that's reflected too. I think there were certain stances we took that we were really passionate about, and then others, we could see, multiple perspectives. So yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I'm sure a year from now my mind will change on some of these.

Izzy: 1:07:41

I would love to hear everyone else's thoughts as well. So, you know, let us know over on Instagram what your thoughts are, or if you're part of the Patreon, of course, we'll definitely be opening up conversations about this. So, 100%, we want to hear your thoughts on this. What houses do you think we'll be in? And if there's any, like blog posts that I was reading when researching this, I'll obviously pop those in the bio. But, kaylee, do you want to let everybody know where they can find you other than on the Patreon?

Caily: 1:08:05

Yes, I'm on the Patreon and my Instagram handle is at half underscore agony underscore half underscore hope. So, yeah, I just collect literature quotations there, mostly Jane Austen and some other authors, so I would love to connect with you there.

Izzy: 1:08:27

Amazing. That is everything from us today, and I will see you in another episode.